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hey everybody how's it going

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sorry i'm just getting everything set up

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still i have 30 seconds to do it good to

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see you all here um

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thank you so much yeah i've been looking

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forward to this one for quite some time

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so uh let's not waste any more time i

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really really can't wait to introduce

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mr omar lara omar how are you my friend

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i'm doing well sir yourself thank you

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for having me on i appreciate it hey the

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pleasure is all mine man thank you so

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much for taking some time out of your

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your day to come and chat with us here

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so um

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i think the best thing that we could do

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is just to give us a kind of a bit of a

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background on yourself if you don't mind

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oh yes uh

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i served 10 years in the navy i was born

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and raised in los angeles california and

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it was one of the best experiences of my

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life traveling the world

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meeting nice lads as yourself and

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many different individuals

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over the uk and in europe

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and uh obviously i'm here now due to our

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experience with the uh

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nimitz encounters and

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all the uh

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hoopla has been going on since 2017 and

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the tic tac as well as other

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ufo topic topics

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that's great yeah and is that something

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you know did you have any kind of

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passion for looking at or

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having anything to do with ufos growing

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up was it something you were interested

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in at all uh you know

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i i've always been asked that and i've

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always been very cliche about star wars

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and all that but yeah my friends and my

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family laughed at me they're like you

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just like star wars

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but my favorite

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anything that has to do with aliens has

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always been the original predator

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oh yes i watch that movie maybe

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once a year if i got nothing else to do

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it killed time

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i watched the predator so hopefully it

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wasn't the predator with that thing

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because we're done for right

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yeah absolutely man that's a great movie

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i think i think it was the late 80s when

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it came out 89 something like that maybe

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and yeah i was completely hooked on it

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as well so uh that's great well i'm with

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you man i'm weird completely yes

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so you say you were in the navy for 10

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years how long were you actually

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stationed on the nimitz for out of those

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10 years uh the nimitz i believe was uh

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four and a half years total

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and i bounced off of the uss dwight d

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eisenhower also so i was stationed on

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both coasts

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of the uh continental united states

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and um

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literally got to travel

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i literally can say i've traveled i've

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not traveled sailed across

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the globe

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by the different

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sea channels that we took to and from

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crossing through the straits of

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gibraltar and

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into the suez into the gulf

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so back and forth it was uh it's a very

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experiencing

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that's incredible

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i can imagine my grandfather was a

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a member of the royal navy here in the

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uk and he used to tell me stories of he

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was on an aircraft carrier as well going

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around the world and he used to tell me

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all the stories and so all my life i've

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just had this picture of this kind of

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lifestyle of a sailor on

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you know on board a carrier traveling

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the world so it's just always been

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something that's

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you know it touches me as well so do

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doing all of that did you get much

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downtime and if you did was there a

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favorite like destination that you that

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you went to that you got to see

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um i guess um

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definitely

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most parts of europe

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because it's definitely the old world

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and uh crossing the suez

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in the distance you can see uh the

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pyramids

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but i would say uh corfu greece the

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island of crete

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a little bit of italy

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up and down spain portugal lisbon

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coming across um

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the straits of magellan

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and then you cross the

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uh the famous island changed the

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galapagos highlands sure

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and then uh then once you get into

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southeast asia

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it's a little bit of

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yankee world right this

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there's a yankee touch to it and a

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british touch to it yeah

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so um

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it was a little more modern but if you

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dig deep into some of the uh old school

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jungles or outskirts of

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that area

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and that gets even older too so i've

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always been fascinated with the

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history of our planet

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and our people but uh

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i never really got too

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sucked in

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to ufos even after our sighting i mean

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it took me uh over

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uh geez 2014 to really get into what i

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had witnessed and i dug into youtube the

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internet

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and really all those times that came up

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was um

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uh the

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that rendered shamfaras

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forest

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of course here for us in the states was

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crash in roswell

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of course yeah those were just like the

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main two right it's just always in a few

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other ones but um

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you know after 2014 you really just got

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the same story and if you look back now

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from 2017

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you're kind of still getting the same

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story from there

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but um

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those people who were involved just said

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mr burrows you know that they're coming

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to light now so

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yeah and it wasn't really because of

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that but it was just honestly

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uh reading a novel

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that said the world ufo

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and once i saw that black and white

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on one of the many novels i wrote i read

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or books

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went back to

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the five individuals i told when we went

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back home

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and uh when i told them i literally

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wanted to get like vindicated around

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2014 because i knew this was

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something and then

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the explosions 2017

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the nimitz comes alive which i had no

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clue of the other incidents

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or the other witnesses

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around that general uh

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timeline of our operation during

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training off the coast of san diego

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so i've always been asked hey was that

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the tic tac that you saw

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i kind of shy away from it it was white

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it was illuminating and it was super

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but i wasn't close enough to mr fravor

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now that miss dietrich has come to

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into the public eye

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i wasn't close enough to see those

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little prongs protruding

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but as you see with the nimitz

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encounters here that's from

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our buddy dave beatty i don't know if

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you're familiar with him i i've

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interviewed him yet yep oh you have

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great great guys yeah yeah awesome i

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always just call him sometimes i was

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like hey you got anything

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under under the carpet you know to tell

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he's

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uh he was the initial one i reached out

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to actually let me uh take that back he

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was the second individual i reached out

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to it was first mr corbell

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and he and i talked for about an hour

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and a half

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and he told me keep quiet keep quiet for

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a little bit

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and i'll get back to you but i'm really

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busy right now because he was doing um

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the bob lazar and the skinwalker ranch

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yeah so i gave him a year

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and i go this guy's busy and he already

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had commander fravor

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yeah and what more would you want

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a jet fighter pilot chasing

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the ufo right

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i mean it does sound quite glamorous

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when you put it like that it is it is

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and i was just a lone enlisted

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sailor and

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you know i don't have a

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the uh

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security clearances like these guys do

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and you know they're

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you know you to hand it to uh any jet

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fire player from any country you know

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yeah well the thing is though i mean you

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say that i think your sighting

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it's just as incredible

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really i mean for anybody that's heard

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it i'm sure they'll agree but

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let's let's dig into it for anybody that

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hasn't heard it and and i mean i'm

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always up for hearing it from the

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horse's mouth so if you could set the

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stage what your position was and what

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the day slash evening was like you know

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on the ship that day and and go from

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there if you don't mind absolutely so uh

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we were at the second last night of our

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operations all the jets had already

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departed the aircraft carrier

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and during that time

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as a flight decker

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we're launching and recovering commander

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fravor

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miss dietrich

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or lieutenant commander dietrich

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and um

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that's a day and night operation for us

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we're dodging them

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they're making sure they're landing

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we're just not going to try to kill

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ourselves

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and they already had disembarked

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and uh usually around that time it slows

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i have a i had a specific task

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monitoring uh the maintenance of

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specific

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fuel systems on the flight there

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and i'm walking around i had my

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counterpart with me

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the man overboard

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alarm went off

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so at that time they were dropping the

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elevator down from the flight deck into

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the hangar bay

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and a young ladder fall into the drink

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wow and once they call man overboard we

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reported hey this is me i'm on board the

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aircraft carrier

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i'm not over the drink so everyone

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reports in person they do a muster

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and then whoever's missing

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is part of the poor soul that's in the

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water right

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so um

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everything like i said comes to a

293
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standstill and we end up on the fan tail

294
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which is the back part of the ship

295
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overlooking on the uh

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starboard side if i it's been so long

297
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which was the starboard side and uh we

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were staring out there

299
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and

300
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you know he's

301
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i remember the um

302
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the [\h__\h] mates having a tough time

303
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getting the launch and recovery

304
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boat off the aircraft carrier

305
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and this this guy had drifted

306
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uh

307
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quite a ways and it was

308
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dark as night a beautiful panoramic view

309
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of the ocean night

310
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off of the pacific and the pacific

311
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obviously named after for it being calm

312
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it kind of really is

313
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compared to the atlantic in some parts

314
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well

315
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i don't know where this object just

316
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drops out and you can see it from my uh

317
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left top left

318
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and it just drops and it's just falling

319
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initially you would think it's a

320
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shooting star so when you see a shooting

321
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star

322
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you see that speed and then it kind of

323
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just slows down and then it

324
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disintegrates right yeah and you catch

325
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it it's almost what a second or two

326
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well this thing just kept traveling and

327
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the speed and trajectory of it

328
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you know how you see a shooting star

329
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almost looks like it's kind of coming

330
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straight

331
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yeah this was just cutting through and

332
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it literally just planted itself above

333
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the ocean and the only reason why we saw

334
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it

335
00:13:13,590 --> 00:13:11,120
was due to the fact that we were looking

336
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out that way when that sailor had fallen

337
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overboard

338
00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:15,839
sure

339
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and it planted itself

340
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for about eight

341
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to fifteen seconds

342
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and i said this many times if you're

343
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staring at something at the dark for

344
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eight to fifteen seconds

345
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at whether it's a light

346
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or

347
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a

348
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time

349
00:13:38,629 --> 00:13:37,519
yeah and it it sat there and then it

350
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shot off

351
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make a sound coming in

352
00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:46,399
or shooting off

353
00:13:51,829 --> 00:13:48,880
and the speed of this is where we had to

354
00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:51,839
turn our torso

355
00:13:55,829 --> 00:13:53,120
with uh

356
00:13:57,829 --> 00:13:55,839
jets at cyberhonuk speed depending on

357
00:13:59,990 --> 00:13:57,839
how close you are

358
00:14:01,670 --> 00:14:00,000
at that distance compared to a jet that

359
00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:01,680
was doing

360
00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:03,920
supersonic speed i could probably still

361
00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:05,920
follow it with my eyes

362
00:14:09,189 --> 00:14:08,160
yeah but the speed of this thing i had

363
00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:09,199
to

364
00:14:14,069 --> 00:14:10,800
turn

365
00:14:14,949 --> 00:14:14,079
and then it made this acute angle

366
00:14:16,949 --> 00:14:14,959
and it

367
00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:16,959
shot right back up

368
00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:18,000
wow

369
00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:19,600
and disappeared

370
00:14:23,269 --> 00:14:21,600
that's incredible well we spoke just

371
00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:23,279
before we went live and i actually got a

372
00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:25,440
tiny short clip that was uh featured in

373
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unidentified and you

374
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:29,519
you stated that it was quite accurate so

375
00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:31,360
if we just play that

376
00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:32,800
give for anybody that might not have

377
00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:35,120
seen it then

378
00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:36,480
so

379
00:14:42,389 --> 00:14:40,560
let it play through twice if everyone

380
00:14:45,269 --> 00:14:42,399
wants to see it twice then

381
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:45,279
let's do it

382
00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:46,959
so i guess that's meant to be you on the

383
00:14:55,509 --> 00:14:53,829
so i mean that just drops like you said

384
00:14:56,829 --> 00:14:55,519
and just sat

385
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:56,839
sped off

386
00:15:00,230 --> 00:14:58,399
yeah

387
00:15:01,750 --> 00:15:00,240
so i guess do you say there was an acute

388
00:15:04,150 --> 00:15:01,760
angle that happened afterwards and it

389
00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:04,160
shot back yes when it shot off it

390
00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:05,360
stopped

391
00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:08,560
briefly and made that acute

392
00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:10,320
it wasn't like a 90 degree it was like

393
00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:13,360
an acute and then went back up

394
00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:15,760
so as you can see that panoramic view

395
00:15:19,269 --> 00:15:16,959
the ocean

396
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:19,279
yeah yeah when it shot to you to the

397
00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:20,160
right

398
00:15:23,829 --> 00:15:21,760
it went back up

399
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:23,839
at a left north

400
00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:24,800
south

401
00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:26,720
like north uh

402
00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:29,120
west uh

403
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,800
angle so it went

404
00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:32,240
kind of like like this but you're

405
00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:35,040
viewing it from here so it was just

406
00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:36,959
a perfect trajectory and you could see

407
00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:39,199
it just traversing and

408
00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:41,199
going up the levels

409
00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:44,480
because these stars in the background

410
00:15:48,790 --> 00:15:46,800
and uh the size of the object compared

411
00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:48,800
to the stars

412
00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:51,360
was the size of a quarter

413
00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:55,440
so if that object was pretty big

414
00:16:00,870 --> 00:15:57,360
so i i've always asked what was the

415
00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:01,670
i

416
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:23,839
by

417
00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:26,079
x amount of miles i don't know

418
00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:29,680
now that individual's out there too

419
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:32,160
i wonder if he saw it

420
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:34,079
or what has happened

421
00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:36,959
like i said we during

422
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:39,360
men the interviews um

423
00:16:44,230 --> 00:16:41,519
we viewed this

424
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:44,240
at that moment after it took off our

425
00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:46,639
alarm systems went off

426
00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:49,199
and they called for general quarters and

427
00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:51,759
general coors is just basically saying

428
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,000
get you your battle stations

429
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:56,880
every alarm that goes off has a specific

430
00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:58,399
tone to it

431
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:00,320
right okay and you're conditioned to

432
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:03,440
understand what that tone means

433
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:05,600
and at that moment we didn't really get

434
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:08,000
to process

435
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:10,559
everything as far as understanding what

436
00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,160
just happened you know you saw something

437
00:17:16,829 --> 00:17:14,720
that just was unbelievable

438
00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:16,839
i just did not have time to ask my

439
00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:19,280
counterparts right and when the alarm

440
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:21,360
went off

441
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:23,679
it was during the man overboard and the

442
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:25,280
general quarters which i have never

443
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:26,720
experienced

444
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:31,110
so

445
00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:33,039
that ended pretty quickly after they

446
00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:34,559
they called for it

447
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:37,200
and then i did some um

448
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:39,600
uh talking to some other individuals and

449
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:41,840
i went into flight deck control

450
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:43,840
and in the show unidentified they didn't

451
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:45,280
cover

452
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:47,120
the other

453
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,760
human element as far as the viewing of

454
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:51,360
this they really focused on that

455
00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:54,720
technology part and its ability to enter

456
00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:57,200
re-enter and just move with incredible

457
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,720
speed

458
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:00,880
no sonic boom

459
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:02,720
so when i went into uh flight deck

460
00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:05,600
control i spoke to a few people there in

461
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:08,000
regards to the maintenance

462
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,559
uh that was being conducted

463
00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:12,320
and where we were at because they had to

464
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:15,840
report to the higher-ups on there

465
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:18,400
and uh as i walked in there

466
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:20,320
i know that other people have seen it as

467
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:22,160
well on the flight deck because everyone

468
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:24,400
was kind of fixated on this dude was

469
00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:25,919
over in the water

470
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:28,240
yeah and they did recover him by the way

471
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:30,160
good good yeah

472
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:32,000
everyone kind of asked me that on the

473
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:33,840
side sometimes

474
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:35,280
so uh

475
00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:37,679
i was in there and then that's when

476
00:18:41,669 --> 00:18:40,320
uh somebody stormed in there and said

477
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:41,679
what the

478
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:42,799
was that

479
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:45,120
wow and when i turned around to look at

480
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:47,280
him and kind of like laugh and literally

481
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:48,880
want to reach out and ask him like dude

482
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:51,200
what was that too

483
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:54,080
that's when i saw another individual and

484
00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:59,039
just prayer he was in prayer

485
00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:00,880
and

486
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:02,640
i've never seen anybody praying at that

487
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:05,200
moment where we were at

488
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,360
and it wasn't just like a general prayer

489
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:09,600
or anything this guy was

490
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:11,039
deep

491
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:12,799
into his uh

492
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,039
his moment

493
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:17,679
and that's when i went back into

494
00:19:22,830 --> 00:19:19,919
our maintenance office and that's where

495
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:22,840
the two individuals that were with me

496
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:26,559
uh gave me their

497
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:33,830
that is where i take

498
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,240
my viewing of this

499
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:38,720
and that experience is what i remember

500
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:40,799
the most i do remember the capability

501
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:42,400
and what it's done and we've talked

502
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,799
about that

503
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:46,799
many times especially the other

504
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:48,320
witnesses

505
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:51,760
but you forget the ones that are talking

506
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,400
i guess we even accepted it

507
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,400
the reality of what

508
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:58,480
these things are is just beyond our

509
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,120
capability as humans on the planet right

510
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:03,120
yeah

511
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:05,039
but there's other witnesses that are

512
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:07,760
coming forward and now i can see why

513
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,320
especially with like lou elizondo when i

514
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,720
hear his talk about

515
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,720
him personally going to the higher ups

516
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:16,480
and saying hey we need to really

517
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,039
investigate this more and in one of his

518
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,440
interviews i heard him say that that

519
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,039
higher up told him have you opened up

520
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:25,520
your bible yet

521
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:27,039
and you know that was basically telling

522
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,559
him

523
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,240
we're shutting this down

524
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:32,559
yeah not to say the program or anything

525
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,960
but just basically the conversation

526
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,240
absolutely

527
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:38,720
and where i get to that point is

528
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,559
the two individuals one of them

529
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,960
said that that was the divine

530
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:46,880
that he saw god

531
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:49,520
or something of that point

532
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:52,080
and i just remember staring at him

533
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,679
and he asked us to join him in prayer

534
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,320
and i still i

535
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,720
always kept in touch with us those two

536
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:03,039
dudes we've always kept in touch through

537
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,600
social media and we've always asked how

538
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:07,039
we're doing and everything but we've

539
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,559
never really truly spoke about it

540
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,120
and he thought it was uh

541
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,840
uh in his words god or something of his

542
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:17,039
power

543
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,400
and uh

544
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:21,120
the other guy i uh he said it was the

545
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,230
that's incredible so you have different

546
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,559
yes

547
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:32,400
and um

548
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,200
i told them if that was chinese

549
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,600
or the russians

550
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:40,080
then you better hope uh i said that we

551
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,760
were no longer

552
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,120
one of these

553
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:46,159
superpowers as far as naval power or air

554
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,200
power

555
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,880
sure

556
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:51,120
and um

557
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,640
and i

558
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,080
that's really what

559
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,000
i remember from

560
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,440
that moment and uh since the identified

561
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,840
has come out i'm really a recluse on

562
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:02,960
facebook

563
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:05,200
i've had a lot of the old sailors who i

564
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,559
served with

565
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,720
remind me of

566
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,640
what happened when i went back into our

567
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,799
general birthing area and that is where

568
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,080
we all

569
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:15,919
shower and sleep

570
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,559
right it's basically

571
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:20,720
30 bunk beds

572
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:23,679
that can fit 80 people or you know just

573
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:27,360
three stacks and uh people were asking

574
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,480
me

575
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,559
what was that

576
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,480
what's going on we heard this strange

577
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,320
stuff

578
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,120
and they're telling me that that same

579
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,960
individual who said it was part of the

580
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:41,280
divine

581
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:42,320
excuse me

582
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,679
uh

583
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,200
popped rank on us

584
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,720
and said cease

585
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,559
cease this conversation i don't want to

586
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,799
hear about it

587
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,799
and out of respect i never bothered him

588
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,640
about it i just really

589
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,960
always take back

590
00:23:03,029 --> 00:22:57,760
that

591
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:03,039
and as well as the other guy because he

592
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,480
also made comments like you don't

593
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,320
believe in that stuff do you that

594
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:08,080
stuff's not real i don't believe in that

595
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:14,149
looking back he was trying to convince

596
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,360
himself

597
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,799
yeah

598
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:18,559
and like i said uh

599
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:21,760
what could it for me

600
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:23,919
you know i guess maybe our backgrounds

601
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,510
really is gonna affect how you review

602
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,720
something right

603
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:33,120
absolutely and i always ask people ask

604
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:34,400
me what do you think it was even until

605
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,440
this day

606
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,600
because i still get um people telling me

607
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:39,200
that

608
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,799
man-made which could be

609
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,080
and then i tell them well if it's

610
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,400
man-made then

611
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,880
all these wars that we've been through

612
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:50,799
and you paying all that money for that

613
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,960
gas

614
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,480
should have been used i said shouldn't

615
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:56,320
you really storm some other capital

616
00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:01,029
so um

617
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:02,840
that is really my

618
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:05,679
uh take

619
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,440
from all this it's just the

620
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,679
ah i guess the this

621
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,600
the inner thought process we all have

622
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:15,760
when you see something

623
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,960
move that way and me being at my six

624
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,080
year

625
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,320
mark at that point in time of that

626
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,320
signing

627
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,320
being around our jets and their

628
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,080
capability and you know what they could

629
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:30,000
do

630
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,840
and you see that that just

631
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,760
exposes everything but like i said

632
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,880
people ask me

633
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,279
what do you think that was

634
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:41,120
i always say i don't know

635
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,559
and they always say

636
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,960
oh so you believe in aliens he said

637
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,480
never saw an alien

638
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,480
i saw the only aliens i've ever saw was

639
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,640
the movie

640
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,640
and i said i never cared about who was

641
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:54,000
in the cockpit

642
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:54,799
yeah

643
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:57,840
you know it was just that

644
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:01,279
technology really yeah and the thing is

645
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,240
is

646
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,559
one thing that i've heard about when you

647
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:06,240
talk about the nimitz encounters and the

648
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:09,919
events of that november of 2004 is that

649
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,720
now your event was after the interaction

650
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,559
that commander fraver and alex dietrich

651
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,799
had with the tic tac and what we were

652
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,200
kind of almost led to believe is that

653
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,679
once they had landed and chad underwood

654
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,760
had gone out and took the video is that

655
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,760
the story spread throughout the entire

656
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:27,679
nimitz and even into the other ships the

657
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,600
princeton and that like wildfire and

658
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,760
everyone was talking about it but am i

659
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,279
right and saying that you didn't hear

660
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:35,440
anything about that and not only

661
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,320
you know

662
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,080
though that uh where i didn't hear

663
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:40,960
anything was uh the years after

664
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,240
oh no yeah i didn't know the specifics

665
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:45,760
of uh

666
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,039
underwood dietrich or fravor

667
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:51,039
uh there was chatter

668
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,720
and there was a lot of movies of just

669
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,120
invasion space

670
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:59,120
everything it was just like the entire

671
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,559
week

672
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,120
and then coming um

673
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:05,120
what's come to light is that these

674
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,559
things were being tracked for uh

675
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,880
weeks i guess or i guess how long was

676
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:11,760
that

677
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,520
jtfx or com2x so usually about two weeks

678
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:16,799
right

679
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,310
i didn't really you heard the chatter

680
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,720
but yeah

681
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,720
but probably amongst

682
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:28,640
the air wing

683
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,120
yeah we were part of ship's company and

684
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,120
we were basically in charge of launching

685
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:37,440
and recovering

686
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,480
favor and underwood

687
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,480
yeah that's really interesting

688
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,000
so i'm just picking up my questions

689
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,600
because i've just been so engrossed in

690
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,000
that conversation i've almost lost track

691
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:50,000
um did you happen to see any of the

692
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:51,520
videos you know the flare video was

693
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:54,559
supposedly shown to to people on board

694
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,200
after the fact or oh no no i had no um

695
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,440
security clearance

696
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:04,320
right they definitely would not probably

697
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:07,760
give me one i mean i had a general sf-86

698
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:11,679
but uh that security clearance profile

699
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:12,880
um

700
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:15,679
i could not even enter the room

701
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,480
with the uh cameras and all that no no

702
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,880
even though we're all in the sailors and

703
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,799
take our oath

704
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,480
um

705
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,880
that was basically like a need to know

706
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:28,640
part of the ship

707
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,600
yeah like uh for instance uh we have uh

708
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,440
pj hughes

709
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,120
you know he had

710
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,679
clearance to literally grab

711
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:39,919
tapes off of that airwing

712
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,559
yeah now if i wanted to go into his work

713
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,799
center

714
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,880
drink soda and have chewing tobacco

715
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,640
party

716
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,159
it's not gonna happen

717
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,559
but he could freely come into mind

718
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,960
but i could never go to his yeah

719
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,799
sure that makes sense no i never saw the

720
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,120
flir video up until it was released by

721
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,279
uh ttsa

722
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,600
no that's understandable now after the

723
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,440
workups happened and you were you know

724
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,000
back on on land let's say

725
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:10,080
did you finally get time to kind of sit

726
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,919
down and process it at all did you did

727
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,600
you feel any after effects or was it

728
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:15,840
kind of like yeah that's crazy move on

729
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:19,600
kind of thing yeah that's crazy um

730
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,520
move on but i did tell five individuals

731
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,159
and it started with one first

732
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:28,960
which was my uh ex-wife

733
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:31,840
well my wife at the time

734
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,070
it wasn't like oh my god like i i wanted

735
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,679
more of people to

736
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,919
really grasp like tell me more tell me

737
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,440
more

738
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,600
but no and then after that i tried

739
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:47,279
telling my closest friends who were in

740
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,279
the navy who i still talk to to this day

741
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,600
and then after all this has come forward

742
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:53,440
you know i just gave them the big middle

743
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,760
finger i was like there you go i told

744
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:58,080
you this was true because they laughed

745
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:58,960
at me

746
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:02,080
wow they laughed they said yo man you're

747
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,520
full of it and

748
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:05,600
those who know me very well you know i

749
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,480
don't really hold back sometimes and i i

750
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,200
tell the truth and

751
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,679
i'll add a little bit of salsa to the

752
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,159
taco as we say for

753
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,159
you know and

754
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,799
uh it was really

755
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,720
and i told my pop

756
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,200
and my pop was you know son i will i

757
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,880
believe their stuff and he mentioned

758
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:28,000
roswell

759
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,200
wow

760
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,640
you know because that's part of his

761
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,799
generation the baby boomer generation

762
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,200
right yeah yeah and there wasn't much

763
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,039
social media about that but there was

764
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:39,279
just newspapers

765
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:42,320
and i told other people over the years

766
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,919
and it wasn't until like 2010 2012

767
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,760
where i told uh

768
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:49,600
the guy that i was working with at the

769
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,520
local hospital here he was a nurse

770
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,520
and he mentioned

771
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,840
and he just his eyes lit up and i was

772
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,679
like the first person that was really

773
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,440
into it and then that's where he told me

774
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:04,080
of this show called coast to coast

775
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,679
wow yes

776
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,440
yes so

777
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:09,200
i listened a little bit to coast to

778
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,600
coast around 2012 2011 2014

779
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:15,120
so that's a big time

780
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:16,720
frame right

781
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,159
and like i said going back to where

782
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,640
i got into uh the novels that i was

783
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,320
reading about jets

784
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,159
and it was the annie jacobs one that

785
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,159
mentioned ufo and it had to cover area

786
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,360
51 but it was mostly focused on sr 71.

787
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,600
i've read it yep oh you have isn't there

788
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,679
awesome yeah yeah

789
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,120
that's awesome i've read a couple of her

790
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,960
books yeah yes the next one would

791
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:40,720
probably be paper clip but i'm going to

792
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,399
give it to my wife first because she

793
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,039
doesn't she loves all that stuff but she

794
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:47,760
doesn't really understand

795
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,440
the connection of our uh aerospace and a

796
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:54,000
lot of other things that we've kind of

797
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,200
uncovered

798
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,279
over the years yeah

799
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,519
i've just got a quick question shout out

800
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,000
to anonymous rex for the 499. thank you

801
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,240
so much for the support omar have you

802
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:06,000
been approached to brief congress or any

803
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,440
official committee

804
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:09,200
thank you disclosure team

805
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:10,080
uh

806
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,559
no anonymous rex i have not um

807
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:16,960
i would be open to do to do it but uh

808
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,760
definitely i think when i look as far as

809
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,720
those

810
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,919
who are

811
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:24,000
briefing congress

812
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:25,519
um

813
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:28,960
those are the individuals who

814
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,559
such as like the jet pilots or

815
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,880
commander solace

816
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,399
because

817
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,399
according to the reports as well as

818
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,240
those have been released those things

819
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:42,399
shut down the nukes right

820
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,200
yeah

821
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,159
so they're there telling congress

822
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,080
whatever this is is shutting down our

823
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,480
capabilities yeah

824
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,880
so no i cannot

825
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,440
go on sorry no no um

826
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,240
i'm just uh the sesame

827
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,440
on the on the bun for the burger

828
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:03,279
all those other guys are the meat

829
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,710
i disagree man i think you're just as

830
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,640
important you're that special sauce then

831
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:14,480
in between all that meat and stuff

832
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,519
because

833
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,279
you're a witness to something that

834
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,200
incredible

835
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:21,120
just because you are maybe a lower rank

836
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,559
it certainly doesn't take away the

837
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,960
credibility of what you saw and and how

838
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,960
you can brief it as a military officer

839
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,640
as a as an observer

840
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,440
so well thank you thank you i thank you

841
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,919
i get more love from like the

842
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,960
the podcasts and

843
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,279
those who who really want to know

844
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,200
because i know um

845
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,960
there's been questions i've been asked

846
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,840
like um private via twitter

847
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:47,919
and i know they they've experienced this

848
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,799
too and sometimes i can't

849
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,640
distinguish between their twitter feed

850
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:54,840
because they're very like uh

851
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,919
anonymous and i wonder sometimes like is

852
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:59,360
this somebody that was on the flight

853
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,320
there

854
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,679
oh

855
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,320
yes because the two individuals that are

856
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,760
with me

857
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,519
one of them is still active the other

858
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,360
one just retired

859
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:11,600
and when i went public

860
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:15,679
i sent him the links privately

861
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,799
because i wanted him to

862
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,039
tell his story of how he felt and i

863
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,200
never wanted to him to feel

864
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,919
uncomfortable because

865
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,440
within our

866
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:28,799
subculture

867
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:32,559
we're not the aluminum full people

868
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,519
right

869
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,440
aluminum foil hats

870
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,279
but outside

871
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,960
there will always be that group that

872
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,320
would say no

873
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,159
that doesn't exist

874
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,240
yeah so uh

875
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:45,919
he blocked me

876
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:53,679
he deleted his uh facebook accounts uh

877
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,640
others yeah he did

878
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,640
but he just opened it

879
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,720
and then asked to be my friend again and

880
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,640
we reached out and we chatted it a

881
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,080
little bit

882
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,720
and i never mentioned this on any of the

883
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:08,480
interviews

884
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,320
but our uh code name for that object

885
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:14,399
is the silver surfer

886
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,520
wow and i replied to him hey do you

887
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:19,520
remember the silver surfer

888
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,000
and he just sent me a thumbs up

889
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,639
yeah so i was like okay he still

890
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:26,879
i know he thinks about this thing and

891
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:29,119
the other guy uh

892
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:32,399
he's active and his family is uh he

893
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:35,599
comes from a family of uh military

894
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,560
right

895
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:41,430
outside looking in

896
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,599
maybe he doesn't want to be the one kid

897
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,919
in the family that saw

898
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,679
that's coming out on this thing but yeah

899
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,280
he's like

900
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:51,839
i served under him he was a great leader

901
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,000
i took some of the things that i learned

902
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,079
from them too and others into my

903
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,000
civilian life

904
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,520
and um

905
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,200
i don't want to

906
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,000
really uh make them feel uncomfortable

907
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,240
of course no it's completely understood

908
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,760
because i honestly believe they haven't

909
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:10,240
told anybody

910
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,960
to

911
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,280
my hearts of hearts tells me

912
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:15,359
they did not tell anybody what they saw

913
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,440
i even their wives i bet

914
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,520
that's that must be difficult to hold

915
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,320
that inside and yeah i mean

916
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,800
yeah that's that's crazy man yes i mean

917
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,720
my wife now

918
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:30,880
um you know we were

919
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,440
we were walking late at night

920
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:34,880
um

921
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:37,359
we were out for a stroll and it was

922
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,720
pitch dark it was out in east texas

923
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,599
which

924
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:43,440
not in many cities so it's not a lot of

925
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:44,800
light pollution

926
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,000
yeah and we were staring at the stars

927
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,480
and she asked me she goes why are you so

928
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,400
quiet staring at that

929
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,240
and i turned to look at her i said hey

930
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,040
i'm going to tell you something

931
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:58,720
and i told her the name

932
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,839
this night that we're talking about and

933
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,160
she's like really i was like yeah i told

934
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:06,480
the whole story the two people

935
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,240
how they felt what they saw and

936
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,400
she definitely heard me screaming once i

937
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:14,480
heard about this limits encounter stuff

938
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,440
coming

939
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,000
to light in 2017 so

940
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,079
yeah well uh just giving a quick shout

941
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,680
out to megan t thank you for the five

942
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,680
dollar super sticker but let's jump into

943
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:25,839
that

944
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,880
date december 2017 i think so many

945
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:30,640
people that were following the subject

946
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,680
it was a huge announcement so

947
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,520
tell me do you remember where you were

948
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:37,119
when you read it and how it made you

949
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:40,640
feel um i had already gotten

950
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,359
a little heads up that more was coming

951
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:44,800
out

952
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:48,320
uh i do remember

953
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:51,920
i think subscribing to ttsa on youtubes

954
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,119
when they would

955
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,280
they had that announcement

956
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:57,680
yeah october 2017.

957
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,320
yes and then when he mentioned it was

958
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,320
chris mellon

959
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,960
when he mentioned nimitz encounters that

960
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:06,079
was just

961
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,680
not the nimitz encounters that's mr

962
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,119
beatty

963
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,760
but the nimitz battle group

964
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,119
yeah

965
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,200
that timeline everything i kind of get a

966
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,160
little convoluted there

967
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,079
but when i heard that that really was

968
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:23,040
like that moment in time that

969
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,320
uh

970
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:26,960
you know you feel a little vindicated

971
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:29,760
and then you start to hear uh

972
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,480
other hits on the radars

973
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,119
radar technicians seeing this

974
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,359
pilots and i'm just like wow

975
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:39,040
mine was just

976
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,400
like i said the smallest sesame

977
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,560
on the burger bun right

978
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,960
to the big picture

979
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:48,720
it was awesome it was awesome and it

980
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:50,240
still is too i mean there's a lot more

981
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,280
chatter

982
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,200
about it and

983
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,200
people can engage and i think we talked

984
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,359
about this earlier uh

985
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:59,040
that twitter man that could become the

986
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,760
kumite you know that twitter gone

987
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,760
so i kind of

988
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:05,520
i'll engage if there's specific

989
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,640
questions directed towards me and um

990
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:11,280
but some of it just gets a little

991
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:12,400
feisty

992
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,720
that's for sure

993
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,800
um so i mean it took what

994
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,520
13 years for re for the vindication to

995
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:23,040
come i suppose

996
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:24,320
17

997
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,280
that initial interview with um

998
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,680
unidentified i was supposed to meet

999
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,839
at a specific time and i showed up 15

1000
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,440
minutes early

1001
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:38,960
was that new home

1002
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,880
uh it was in san antonio texas okay

1003
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:44,320
not too far

1004
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:45,680
and

1005
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:48,400
i believe it's supposed to start at 1 30

1006
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:51,680
no it's supposed to start at one o'clock

1007
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,200
i didn't get seen to like 2 15.

1008
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,760
and they were very apologetic and i said

1009
00:39:03,109 --> 00:38:59,280
i said ma'am

1010
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:03,119
i've been waiting 17 years to say this

1011
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,359
i can wait another 45 it's all good

1012
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:08,720
so yeah uh

1013
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:12,000
17 years and

1014
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:13,440
i think that's why the interview took

1015
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:16,960
about four hours long because

1016
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,920
you know you can play this back

1017
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,440
easily

1018
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,880
in your mind

1019
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:25,440
but to put words and

1020
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,400
to it to something that really has no

1021
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,000
description

1022
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,599
yeah you know you can say this car was

1023
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:33,119
going fast

1024
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:38,079
fast

1025
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,079
[Laughter]

1026
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,400
you know quickly just gonna say uh

1027
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:52,720
jess is here lit hi vinnie hey oh hey

1028
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,520
how you doing hey jess good to see you

1029
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:57,680
another great show i enjoy going on that

1030
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,480
one

1031
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,040
yeah shout out to jeff she's amazing

1032
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,960
sorry to interrupt there yeah no no no

1033
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,240
it's fine

1034
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:05,760
i know you were friends questions if you

1035
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,480
need

1036
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,950
so yeah this

1037
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,720
the unidentified thing how did it

1038
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,319
actually come about was it something

1039
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:17,359
somebody contacted you out the blue or

1040
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,480
um

1041
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:20,480
it was kind of out of the blue but it

1042
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,280
was connection with uh the other sailors

1043
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,000
as well as mr beatty mr beatty was

1044
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,000
really the

1045
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,400
the launching pad

1046
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:35,359
and where i got

1047
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,720
the tentacles reached out to to get me

1048
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,240
on this because

1049
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,880
uh they wanted more information and all

1050
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,200
this in regards to

1051
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,960
the whole operation

1052
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,400
and it just kind of

1053
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:50,720
sprung forward from there

1054
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,599
and then i was hoping to be interviewed

1055
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,880
by uh

1056
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,200
louis lozano because we had always been

1057
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,720
trying to get

1058
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,560
the deck logs

1059
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:02,640
for that specific night

1060
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,119
right and mr beatty has been on that and

1061
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,359
we haven't got them

1062
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,760
because there's

1063
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,160
one deck log out there for a sailor that

1064
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:14,800
went overboard from the nimitz but it

1065
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:15,520
was

1066
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:18,560
that gives us

1067
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,720
the specific time stamp and date

1068
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,240
of what happened

1069
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,839
because there's also has to be

1070
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:28,160
chronological log

1071
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,280
of the general quarters being sounded in

1072
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,200
conjunction with the man overboard like

1073
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:34,880
i had mentioned before i had never

1074
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,470
and uh that's kind of like where

1075
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:43,430
um

1076
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,319
ttsa or the unidentified show

1077
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:48,000
they were very secretive too looking

1078
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,359
back they're like don't you tell anybody

1079
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:50,880
that you're gonna be and don't do any

1080
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,280
more in other interviews

1081
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,280
i was like sure you know and

1082
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,960
uh

1083
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,720
i ended up doing it and

1084
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,000
took it was a

1085
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,720
four to five hours but i thought they

1086
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,200
were going to focus on the human

1087
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,440
experience behind it but they just

1088
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,200
wanted to focus on that

1089
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,079
speed trajectory oh the five observables

1090
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:14,240
right that was the theme

1091
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,079
of uh that season yeah absolutely

1092
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:20,079
so that you know once it did air i

1093
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,440
suppose was that when you kind of were

1094
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,880
allowed to kind of go and do interviews

1095
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:24,880
again then once that episode had aired

1096
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,309
i guess

1097
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:30,800
i was allowed to do interviews but not

1098
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:33,760
speak that i was

1099
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,640
uh

1100
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,680
part of

1101
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:37,119
the new show because everyone knew it

1102
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:38,480
was coming out right and they just

1103
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:39,760
didn't want

1104
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,640
they were kind of like the first

1105
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,599
uh

1106
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,520
people up to bat

1107
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:47,680
you know the first batter that was gonna

1108
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:52,000
hit this out of the park and just expose

1109
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,960
um

1110
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,040
other military encounters

1111
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,960
since roswell you know everyone always

1112
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:59,359
associated ufos in the states with

1113
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,640
roswell

1114
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,480
yeah i don't know how it was in the uk

1115
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,720
they all were associated ufos maybe with

1116
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,800
randallshim right yes

1117
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:09,520
is that true oh okay absolutely yeah so

1118
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,319
radisson was your guys's

1119
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,119
cake and then we had roswell but we also

1120
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,280
knew about each other and those two

1121
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,640
incidents

1122
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,720
and then this one

1123
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:22,240
that show really just kind of put

1124
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,520
everything

1125
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,440
out there that

1126
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,520
pilots from

1127
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:29,760
uh overseas

1128
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,319
um from different timelines you know 40s

1129
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,640
50s 60s different wars different all

1130
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:36,000
this

1131
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:39,599
now

1132
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:40,560
uh

1133
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,520
it's not just my generation

1134
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,839
it's multiple generations

1135
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,720
yeah

1136
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,760
and

1137
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,760
also the beauty that has brought this

1138
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:51,920
out sorry not to go on a tangent please

1139
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,119
do no no that's why we're here today

1140
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,040
give me give me some wine and it's gonna

1141
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:02,150
uh that's the beauty that i've seen also

1142
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,839
now that there's multiple generations

1143
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,200
of uh and

1144
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,119
podcasters

1145
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:11,680
and interviewers

1146
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,079
of this subject

1147
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:17,440
you know at first it was um

1148
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:20,079
those who were older than me and i'm 44

1149
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:21,680
in a month

1150
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,040
i'm 44. hey right now man we're there

1151
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,440
and you know we had uh you know like

1152
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,800
nick pope

1153
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:30,560
he's older

1154
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:33,680
and we've had our

1155
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,640
uh

1156
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:36,960
i guess you were for ology folks you're

1157
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:40,079
a philologist i got corrected once

1158
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,680
they were much older and they had been

1159
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,680
digging into this and this and this over

1160
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:45,040
the years

1161
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,160
but now

1162
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,400
it spans generations so that's the

1163
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,880
beauty of all this too social media does

1164
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,400
help too

1165
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,319
yeah absolutely the community just grows

1166
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:56,240
people get to hear things more but then

1167
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,359
we get to do things like what we're

1168
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,040
doing right now you know we're separated

1169
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:01,200
by thousands of miles yeah we're talking

1170
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,560
like we could be just

1171
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,920
sat next to each other which is

1172
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,960
incredible

1173
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:07,119
so it just becomes a small

1174
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:08,960
you're across the big part

1175
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:11,920
yeah absolutely man so

1176
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,640
so since i guess since it all came

1177
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,280
out and you did the series and that did

1178
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,440
you get to meet up with any of the other

1179
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:21,040
guys that may have featured in say the

1180
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,560
nimitz encounters you know some of the

1181
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,560
princeton guys have you met up with

1182
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,560
anyone done any conferences or anything

1183
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,319
like that uh

1184
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,200
i i have not um

1185
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:33,839
i was invited to the one in laughlin

1186
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,960
soon after identified but it's just

1187
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,800
time constraints and then cove it

1188
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:39,920
happened

1189
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:42,319
but no i've never been um

1190
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,359
uh

1191
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:45,200
i haven't gone to any of the conferences

1192
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,040
or or actually met anybody

1193
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:50,880
oh my god you know what i have not met

1194
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,160
anybody in person

1195
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,400
live in the flesh other than what we're

1196
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,000
doing now since

1197
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,560
no i have not i have not that's

1198
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,760
interesting i never thought about that

1199
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,359
that's true that's

1200
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,599
kind of like where we live now i can say

1201
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,599
oh yeah we've met but no it's just the

1202
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,520
screen and

1203
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,800
no do you know what i'm

1204
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,560
almost the same i met a few

1205
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,119
of my colleagues here in the uk but

1206
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,880
my life is doing exactly what we're

1207
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,720
doing now so i say yeah i've met so and

1208
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:21,119
so because i've met them on screen yeah

1209
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,880
that's the new normal

1210
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,040
that's scary i hope it doesn't be you

1211
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,359
know it's gonna now we're gonna have

1212
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,040
like uh

1213
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:31,920
a checklist did you meet them yes was it

1214
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,349
yeah it's just a temporary thing we'll

1215
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,079
get back to real reality fingers crossed

1216
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,720
in the next

1217
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,319
so do you are you keeping up with what's

1218
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,480
going on in the ufo world as far as you

1219
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,480
know the government

1220
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,160
all the madness that's going on at the

1221
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:51,839
minute with the dod in congress and

1222
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,280
stuff like that i have i have my twitter

1223
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,599
is my way of

1224
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,040
keeping up

1225
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,960
even though it can get discom

1226
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,960
diluted with

1227
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,720
all sorts of stuff if you look at my

1228
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:07,280
twitter feed it's either

1229
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,920
baseball insiders the reporters and then

1230
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,520
ufo stuff

1231
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,119
wow nice

1232
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:16,560
so uh i do and i do know that they uh

1233
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,280
created that public

1234
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,280
there's a big acronym for that one i'm

1235
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,160
not even gonna attempt to do it that's

1236
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,359
covering it for here in the states uh

1237
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,000
with the pentagon and all that and then

1238
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,160
i did catch

1239
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,640
lou's tweet saying that that was the

1240
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,280
same one

1241
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,920
that was shooting him down during his

1242
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,960
time

1243
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:42,880
and i was just like oh man we're not

1244
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,160
gonna get anywhere but then again

1245
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,640
that question

1246
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:50,000
is

1247
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,800
suppression

1248
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,359
because i don't think

1249
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,920
everyone is truly

1250
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,480
ready to know if there is something

1251
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,640
outside of our

1252
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:07,119
human reality or realm

1253
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,480
you know like i had mentioned before uh

1254
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,640
my witness with me

1255
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,800
said it was part of the divine

1256
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:17,520
yeah yeah and then i listened to uh

1257
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,040
interviews with luis elizondo

1258
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,440
as well as those other scientist guys

1259
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,200
but not to get into them but with lou i

1260
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,119
remember him saying uh like i think i

1261
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,240
mentioned this earlier they told them

1262
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:32,240
have you read your bible yet so

1263
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,200
basically he was trying to have a

1264
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:35,119
conversation maybe for more money or

1265
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,880
funding or

1266
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,160
and they told him leave those things

1267
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:39,760
alone those are demonic have you read

1268
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,960
your bible

1269
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,720
so yeah basically it was telling i'm not

1270
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,559
giving you no more money

1271
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,920
yeah i think it's been spoken about a

1272
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,440
lot a lot of the old guard of the

1273
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,359
government and the military are really

1274
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,440
highly religious

1275
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:54,400
people and so you know it really was

1276
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,280
surrounded with stigma and

1277
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,680
and demonic kind of beliefs and stuff

1278
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,040
yeah i

1279
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,800
totally respect

1280
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,880
what anybody needs to get them through

1281
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,839
the night

1282
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,599
you have to focus on the next day if

1283
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:09,200
they need that

1284
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,920
absolutely you go for it i'm all for it

1285
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:16,160
and then that's the backdrop too when

1286
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:19,599
you get an entire group of people

1287
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,640
sometimes no matter how good it is

1288
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,119
it can veer away from

1289
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:27,040
telling the truth of

1290
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,400
of something that

1291
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,400
might undermine your beliefs or that

1292
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,720
specific group yeah

1293
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,480
yeah that's it that's amazing you know

1294
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:36,880
it's like i have my kids

1295
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,280
you know it's santa claus time right oh

1296
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,440
yeah so

1297
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:43,119
do i want to tell them i saw something

1298
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:49,829
i never even thought about it like that

1299
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,359
that was crazy wow

1300
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:55,839
so i gotta wait all these years

1301
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,359
my son my 13 year old son he uh

1302
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,880
he's kind of

1303
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,440
really following or or interested only

1304
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,640
when i come on

1305
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,119
and he asks like who's this who's that

1306
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,960
he just kind of really started delving

1307
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,440
into it because i told him too even that

1308
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,280
i think it was

1309
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,400
a couple years prior to uh

1310
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,119
it actually it was during unidentified

1311
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,319
right i played it and he's like

1312
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,280
what and you know he

1313
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,720
sorry looking he's the one that told me

1314
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:28,160
i needed a background because all the

1315
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,440
other interviews i've done especially

1316
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,760
with like the rogue report he made fun

1317
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,280
of me he's like dad you

1318
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:35,920
you got to get a background man

1319
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,119
no it looks good man definitely

1320
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,960
well let's have a look at those medals

1321
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,800
are you allowed to get them down

1322
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,119
oh yeah uh

1323
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:46,640
jeez they've been hanging there for

1324
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,599
years i'm afraid they might

1325
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,880
you don't have to but they're looking

1326
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,240
forward to

1327
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,480
don't don't don't touch a man

1328
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,960
they're impressive man definitely oh

1329
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:59,040
thank you most of it is uh

1330
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,240
of the 10 years that i had done

1331
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:05,359
uh i accumulated this

1332
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,440
with the training the workups

1333
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,640
six and a half years of accumulated time

1334
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,720
was out in the ocean

1335
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,000
wow

1336
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,480
of ten years

1337
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,400
yes between

1338
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,640
five and a half to six and a quarter of

1339
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,920
years

1340
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,000
was out in the ocean

1341
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:28,559
i didn't really think about that but

1342
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,599
oh i loved it i mean it was a a

1343
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,920
an honor and a privilege to do it

1344
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,839
i can imagine yeah and i still keep in

1345
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,359
touch with

1346
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:40,400
a lot of the friends especially those

1347
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:42,079
who are now

1348
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:43,599
secretly

1349
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,720
in this

1350
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,480
because they will send me

1351
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,559
tidbits and all that and i laugh and i'm

1352
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,640
like oh now you're really into this

1353
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:53,119
stuff huh

1354
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,559
because they they laughed at me and

1355
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,319
you know it was kind of heartbreaking

1356
00:52:01,589 --> 00:52:00,319
when when you get those laughs and all

1357
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,599
that yeah

1358
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,960
yeah

1359
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,480
that's amazing

1360
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,960
vindication i'm so

1361
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,400
you know i'm so glad that things like

1362
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,640
that happen because it you know just to

1363
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,640
sit with something like that you

1364
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,559
witnessed and then you tell people that

1365
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,240
you're close to they don't believe you

1366
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,480
and then you know you wait 10 years

1367
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,160
until you read a book and it kind of

1368
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,000
gets you into the ufo thing i mean

1369
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,800
that's a lot of time goes by so

1370
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:26,880
it does and

1371
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,200
being on the shows and coming across

1372
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,520
youtube

1373
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:33,119
you come

1374
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,920
you

1375
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:35,920
get to learn that

1376
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,640
at my job our building has about a

1377
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,240
thousand people

1378
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,559
wow and i'm very well known amongst

1379
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,640
those thousand people due to my role

1380
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:46,559
with the union

1381
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,680
right and i had both the management and

1382
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,200
the union members

1383
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,599
come to me and say is that you

1384
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:56,240
i'm like that is i go you're into this

1385
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:57,680
stuff

1386
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,160
yes and they spat out and i had one

1387
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,319
which was a supervisor

1388
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:06,880
pull me into the office close the door

1389
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:09,680
and say hey i need to tell you a story

1390
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,480
wow

1391
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,880
and when she got done telling that story

1392
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,040
she felt so

1393
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,520
relieved like oh my god

1394
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,200
i really

1395
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,599
like she knew i was listening

1396
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,520
and it was not going to give her any

1397
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,040
ridicule

1398
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:27,440
she's in her mid-30s this happened to

1399
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,559
her and her boyfriend when they were 17

1400
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,359
years old off the coast of texas

1401
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,760
right and i asked this one question too

1402
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,520
i said do you still talk to this guy she

1403
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,280
goes oh yeah all the time

1404
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,880
i was like on the phone and she goes no

1405
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,400
no we've always stayed friends on

1406
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,480
facebook i'm going to tell them i talked

1407
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,240
to you

1408
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,549
one of the most interesting ones was a

1409
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:53,280
young 22 year old kid

1410
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:54,839
who thought i was an

1411
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:57,680
actor and he was uh dude i don't believe

1412
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,800
you that does this stuff doesn't happen

1413
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:02,559
oh yeah

1414
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,440
yeah

1415
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,920
and um

1416
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,079
where i really felt more vindicated

1417
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,640
after he was just kind of like

1418
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,559
he was pretty brutal this kid i don't

1419
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:14,400
say brutal but he was pretty like you're

1420
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,440
full of [\h__\h] basically

1421
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,839
and not in those words

1422
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,559
he came back to me maybe

1423
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,400
a year later

1424
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:25,920
and he said omar

1425
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,880
he goes my mom told me the story

1426
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,880
because she had picked him up from work

1427
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,640
the kid's young he's 22. he's probably

1428
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,800
still lives at home his mom picked him

1429
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:36,079
up for work

1430
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,920
and he pointed at me and he goes mom

1431
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:40,000
this guy said he saw your phone when he

1432
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,599
was in the service

1433
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:43,520
on the way home

1434
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:44,799
she told her i need to tell you

1435
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,319
something that i never told anybody

1436
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:50,480
and she explained that she saw and she's

1437
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,040
in her 70s wow she told him

1438
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,880
of something that i

1439
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,040
he said he thought i had talked to his

1440
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,119
mom

1441
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:02,960
the way he she was describing this

1442
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,680
because i was describing this detune too

1443
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:07,839
yeah and the guy that she was with at

1444
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,280
the time wasn't his dad it was a date

1445
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:13,040
and they both said we need to take this

1446
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:16,000
to our grave don't tell anybody

1447
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:17,680
so there's 70

1448
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:20,960
so maybe

1449
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,079
geez early 60s maybe they were

1450
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,839
where old they were

1451
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:28,160
and now he's kind of like

1452
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,270
um

1453
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,040
it doesn't surprise me

1454
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:40,960
because

1455
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:43,119
my witness to

1456
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,559
his belief was that was of the divine

1457
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,319
and then the other guy's like that was

1458
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,640
russia and chinese yeah yeah and then

1459
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,839
other people like that [\h__\h] doesn't

1460
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,119
exist you're just full of it you're

1461
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:56,079
crazy you're an actor so

1462
00:56:02,710 --> 00:55:59,440
that's why i don't think we're all ready

1463
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,720
i don't think us

1464
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:04,799
we are right

1465
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,200
but uh not everyone man i know my

1466
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:10,079
mother-in-law isn't either

1467
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:11,920
she wasn't too happy that her her

1468
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,319
grandson i'm sorry i regret her her

1469
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:16,640
son-in-law was on tv talking about ufos

1470
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,150
she's of

1471
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,839
a deep

1472
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:22,960
southern

1473
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,880
religious beliefs so uh those run deep

1474
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:29,520
yeah he wasn't too happy yeah and i even

1475
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,880
tagged her

1476
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,880
this is in the uk so she probably won't

1477
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,400
see

1478
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,280
they tagged her facebook on purpose

1479
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:39,599
and she deleted that because she didn't

1480
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,799
want anybody else to know

1481
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,640
that her daughter

1482
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:46,720
and mary

1483
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,599
a man is so ufo

1484
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,720
man

1485
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:52,559
yeah so it's crazy you know we talk

1486
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:55,599
about it freely and organically right

1487
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:56,559
yeah

1488
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,440
but

1489
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:58,720
uh

1490
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,440
we probably cannot do this amongst

1491
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:03,440
people outside

1492
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,680
they will be interested but even though

1493
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,960
if they are they still don't want to

1494
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,160
come out

1495
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,720
no that's true i mean i think the stigma

1496
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,960
has lifted gradually in the past four or

1497
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:14,160
five years

1498
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,680
but i guess there's still a long way to

1499
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:17,040
go with that

1500
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,319
you know when you're talking about the

1501
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,559
highly religious people you know

1502
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:22,559
but yeah i know about

1503
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,880
what do you think do you think we need

1504
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,119
like our governments to say

1505
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:31,280
here it is it's in my garage look at

1506
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,079
this

1507
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,640
i don't think we need to but i think i

1508
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,920
want the government to be held

1509
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:37,839
accountable for the secrecy that they've

1510
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,760
put over us for so many years

1511
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,920
that's more than anything

1512
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,960
like

1513
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,960
i believe it anyway from speaking with

1514
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,960
people like you

1515
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,720
but i do follow the whole government

1516
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,160
aspect because i believe that they've

1517
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,319
lied to us for so many decades that they

1518
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,720
need to come clean just admit to what

1519
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,720
they know i'm not even asking for an

1520
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,559
apology or anything like that i just

1521
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,400
wanted that's going forward it's it's

1522
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,880
vindication for everybody out there it's

1523
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,520
not even necessarily for me

1524
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,960
it's and it's for a better future you

1525
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,799
know my daughter's only three years old

1526
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,480
i want her to have a better future in a

1527
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,839
world where we're not destroying the

1528
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:15,200
planet and

1529
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,319
you know if we've got access to

1530
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,559
technology behind the scenes that can

1531
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:20,160
eradicate the use of fossil fuels and

1532
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:21,680
make the world better

1533
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,400
then

1534
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:24,160
bring it on let's make it happen now so

1535
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:25,200
that our

1536
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,640
our kids have a better future i know

1537
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:29,040
that's a big grandiose thing but

1538
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:30,559
i don't care about it

1539
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:37,839
that is well said absolutely that is a a

1540
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:42,799
technology and a form of propulsion

1541
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:45,920
you're right that would really end

1542
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,319
fossil fuels and our children and their

1543
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,160
children

1544
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:52,880
can live in a cleaner place

1545
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:54,559
definitely actually and it's going to

1546
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:56,319
take a lot of time to even implement

1547
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:58,079
anything like that so

1548
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,520
you know my daughter she's three she

1549
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,359
might even be

1550
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,440
33 by the time something like that's you

1551
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:04,960
know

1552
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,559
[Laughter]

1553
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,960
or what's the this term they always use

1554
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:15,200
is uh carrying the football down the

1555
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,160
field

1556
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,400
yeah i always say that yeah

1557
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:20,240
and i feel like it's going we're getting

1558
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,440
there but

1559
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:23,280
maybe the touch line just keeps moving a

1560
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:25,040
bit further away as well and we're

1561
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,000
trying to play catch up sometimes

1562
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,480
it's the game being played

1563
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:32,559
but there's no time clock

1564
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,760
yeah you know there's no time clock it's

1565
00:59:40,070 --> 00:59:37,520
just gonna you know what we'll say it's

1566
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,080
a baseball game and it's tied

1567
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:42,240
[Laughter]

1568
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,839
yeah no absolutely yes

1569
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,280
yes uh well omar listen we've just about

1570
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,440
hit that hour mark i cannot thank you

1571
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:51,119
enough this has been an absolutely

1572
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,280
amazing conversation my friend i'm

1573
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:55,520
really glad that we got to do this so i

1574
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:58,000
have to thank you so much man and listen

1575
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,920
maybe we can we can talk again in the

1576
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:01,839
future um

1577
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:04,000
you're just an awesome dude so thank you

1578
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:07,680
so much man hey anytime um i'm with a

1579
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:11,119
major uh a logistics company and uh

1580
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:13,920
anytime after the holidays hit me up and

1581
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:15,520
i'm across the big pond and you're

1582
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:17,040
across the big pond you get to the

1583
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:19,040
center continental united states give me

1584
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,400
a call man

1585
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,079
we'll go get some pints

1586
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,799
hey that sounds good man definitely

1587
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,160
hang about for a second we'll have a

1588
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,160
little chat after the after the thing

1589
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:30,480
but again thank you so much to everybody

1590
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,079
that's watched i was still here in the

1591
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:34,160
live chat thank you so much you guys are

1592
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,920
awesome for the donations as well with

1593
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:37,760
the super chat and super sticker that

1594
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,040
goes so far thank you so much and uh